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In this energy-infused podcast, EAG Chief Marketing Officer Jeff Randolph talks to Marketing Director Paul Sage about the value of making your message clear and simple. Then we’ll hear the story of Elaina Paige Thomas, owner and founder of the Next Paige Talent Agency. Elaina made a big shift from professional dancing with A-list performers to running a company that helps other creative individuals realize their dream careers. Entrepreneurship is all about resilience and agility, just like dancing.
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Jeff Randolph:
Welcome to the Small Business Miracles podcast. I’m Jeff Randolph. This small business podcast is brought to you by EAG Advertising & Marketing. We’re going to talk about marketing and we’re also here to celebrate entrepreneurs. And we have marketing news and advice that business owners can use to keep moving forward. The featured interview today, you are not going to want to miss. Today, we’re talking to Elaina Paige Thomas with Next Paige. I’m excited to get into it. I’m going to do a quick welcome back to the podcast for Paul Sage, a marketing director here at EAG Advertising & Marketing. Paul, welcome.
Paul Sage:
Hey, Jeff.
Jeff Randolph:
Good to see you again. I want to talk about business owners get faced with looking at that ever popular format of communication. Let’s put together a one pager on that. You can hear that phrase in businesses everywhere across the world.
Paul Sage:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
Put together a one sheeter on that. Let’s take a look at it. But there are some tips because you also do writing. You’re not just the marketing director for many of your clients.
Paul Sage:
I’m a multi tool player around here.
Jeff Randolph:
Utility infielder as it were.
Paul Sage:
Ohtani, maybe. Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
There we go. So you write copy, you’ve got tips and tricks. If somebody has that, “Hey, I’m putting together a one pager myself,” or if that business owner is then reviewing somebody’s work and approving it, what are some things, some tips that make it a little bit easier and to be more effective?
Paul Sage:
Well, think in terms of the reader doesn’t know your business very well and you’ve got to speak cleanly and clearly and briefly and give them the bluff, the bottom line upfront and not just describe things. Sometimes describing things too much can make them sound boring. You want to talk about the benefits. You want to talk about the specifics, the value. If it’s an event or if it’s store hours, you’ve got to be very clear on the when and where and not just the what. And you want to make something attractive through words that are understandable and are written in sentences that are easy to understand and are grammatically correct and make sense to the average reader.
Jeff Randolph:
All of those things seem very obvious to people, but I think as you get closer to the business, right?
Paul Sage:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
I’ve lived in this all day long. That’s when we may say things like, “Gosh, I hate our logo.” Well, don’t hate your logo. It’s probably doing just fine. It’s the brand awareness piece that’s making people remember who you are. Same goes for the headline of something. You could get really cute with a headline. You could get super crafty and creative. But if by doing that you confuse the matter, if by doing that, you take away somebody’s focus so they don’t get it right away. You’ve just ruined everything you’re trying to do. So be direct. Be clear. Be direct.
Paul Sage:
I worked with a creative director at an agency who said, “We can’t be too clever by half.” Agencies can be full of people who are very imaginative and can make obscure references to things. But if you’re going to make a cultural reference, it better be something that most people in your target audience are familiar with.
Jeff Randolph:
I am guilty of breaking that rule all the time with every phrase I say.
Paul Sage:
They didn’t see that art film back in 1987 that you saw.
Jeff Randolph:
At the Fine Arts Theater. No, they didn’t. It’s exactly right. But if I think it’s funny, it’s hilarious. I’m going to do it. No, if you’re a business owner, resist that temptation to think that you’ve said this a hundred times already. “We shouldn’t just say that again.” Well, if it’s the best way to describe what you’re doing, keep saying that. Keep using exactly that. Other tips for how to get your point across in that ever important one pager.
Paul Sage:
Well, I’m not a designer, but I could venture into the world of visual and now that we have fun tools that everybody can use, Canva and everybody can… You don’t have to know all the intricacies of Adobe InDesign. Yes, you can have enough tools at your disposal to be dangerous and get too creative. Just because it offers 2,700 fonts doesn’t mean you use them all. Use the basic type faces. Use the basic color contrast. Don’t put red on blue. Don’t put too scripty things when a Helvetica or a Times Roman can do the job. There’s a reason road signs are written in basic fonts. The New York City subway system is the greatest example of using white Helvetica on black background.
Jeff Randolph:
Very easy to read, very crisp, very clear. It’s that ultimate readability factor.
Paul Sage:
And timeless. It’s not trendy.
Jeff Randolph:
Yeah. So if I summarize, have a brand standards guide and stick to it.
Paul Sage:
Correct.
Jeff Randolph:
Don’t get too crazy. Tell me how do you feel about using text that is the wrong direction or up and down or let’s do word art that curves on a line like we’re on… We’re building a presentation way back in the day.
Paul Sage:
Your job is to get a message across. Your job is to convince a prospect that they need to pay more attention to you and not to display your artistic skill. If you go… Fine, go do paintings and sell them at the flea market on Saturday. But if you want to be clear, be clear. It might look boring to you because you’ve seen it a thousand times, but it gets your message and your product and your service and your benefits and your brand across.
Jeff Randolph:
Yeah. And the cuter we get with that, the more we try to turn it into a crossword puzzle or something, a word search, the more we’re just going to fail.
Paul Sage:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
So look at that sheet. Keep it super clear. Make sure that you understand at a glance what it is. And try to put yourself in the mind of somebody who has never seen your business before, doesn’t know who you are. If this is the… Keep in mind, this is the first time somebody is ever going to see anything.
Paul Sage:
Correct. So all your abbreviations and acronyms might need to be explained.
Jeff Randolph:
Let’s put it out there.
Paul Sage:
Yeah.
Jeff Randolph:
Go ahead and explain those acronyms.
Paul Sage:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
You can put them in parentheses afterward, if you need to reference that several more times. But spell it out. Yeah. Don’t assume too much.
Paul Sage:
I learned a great acronym the other day.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh-oh.
Paul Sage:
BOPIS. B-O-P-I-S. Do you know what that means?
Jeff Randolph:
Buy Online, Pick up In Store?
Paul Sage:
You got it, sir.
Jeff Randolph:
I’m telling you.
Paul Sage:
Dinging dinging.
Jeff Randolph:
Acronym, we’re just going to do a segment on acronyms at some point.
Paul Sage:
Sure.
Jeff Randolph:
And it’ll be our most listened to episode. Almost sure of it. Paul Sage, thanks for being with us again.
Paul Sage:
Thanks, Jeff. Adios.
Jeff Randolph:
All right. I would like to welcome Elaina Paige Thomas to the show. Elaina, welcome.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Thank you for having me.
Jeff Randolph:
You are the owner, founder, choreographer, creative director for The Next Paige Talent Management & Production. First, tell me about the business. How would you tell someone what it is that The Next Paige does?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
So The Next Paige helps dreams come true. We are an all-inclusive house that helps creators pursue their dreams by providing resources, opportunities, and training. We are the first female and black owned talent agency located in Kansas City, Missouri. And we’re very proud of that. Everything we do, we do it in excellence and of quality.
Jeff Randolph:
Man. So how did you get started? What was the origin story?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh my gosh. So when I was a little girl at three years old, I was very determined. I wanted to be a professional dancer, be a professional creative, and so in the third grade I wrote three goals. One was to dance with Debbie Allen. One was to become a professional dancer and the other one was to open up my own studio. After high school, I graduated and went to Columbia College Chicago, received my BFA in dance, my minor in arts and media management. And right out of college, my first gig was with Beyonce.
Jeff Randolph:
Well, that’s not a bad first gig to have.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
And so from there things kept skyrocketing and I went overseas. I traveled. I was in China for five months, Italy. I mean, we were touring. I started working for other artists, had my moment with the Debbie Allen, became a professional dancer. So I’m knocking off things off the list.
Jeff Randolph:
So two check marks off.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yeah, two check marks. Right. So I remember it was like yesterday. I lived in Chicago and I came home for a little bit. My grandfather had been ill at that point, and I still lived in Chicago. We had just got back, we did a show with the international talent in Italy, and I came back home and I realized, I’m like, “Oh my gosh, Kansas City has some great talent here.” I got a call from R&B Ginuwine Management. They’re like, “Hey, can you do some stuff for us?” I’m like, “Oh yeah, absolutely.” So at that point I’m like, “Okay, I want to help. I want to help.”
So I began to cast dancers here. I began to just be a servant. I like to say I like to serve my community. So I just put it upon myself to help. And so I started working with a few of the Chiefs players that were doing music: Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe. I mean, we were doing some amazing stuff, and they would hire me as their choreographers and such. So I’m just doing this stuff naturally. I would cast talent, and this particular show was pretty major. We were actually going to DC for The Liberian Entertainment Awards with Tamba Hali. So he allowed me to book eight dancers from Kansas City and hire a production crew from New York City. So at that point, COVID happened.
Jeff Randolph:
As it does.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
As it does. Everything shut down. We’re in DC I have all these amazing girls with me. I help them get their headshots. I help them put an industry standard resume together, a bio. I’m developing them as artists, as creatives. So naturally world shuts down. I’m like, “Oh my gosh. We have to get back to Kansas City.” I get everyone back. At this point, Tamba Hali saw it in me. He’s like, “Hey, I need you to be my manager.” I’m like, “What? Okay. You believe that in me? Wow. Okay. Cool.” At that point, light bulbs click off in my mind and I say, “Hey, I think it’s time.” I told my husband during the pandemic, I said, “I think it’s time for us to the start the agency.” He’s like, “What? In a pandemic?”
Jeff Randolph:
“In a… Are you insane?”
Elaina Paige Thomas:
“Are you insane? [inaudible 00:11:17] Where are you going to perform?” And so with that experience, it opened my eyes to a bigger world, not even remembering the goals that I had in mind. I got back in class, in business class to tighten up my skills. I went into the UMKC Business Center, signed up for classes. And voila, I started my LLC and I hit the ground running. And there was the studio, the check mark number three.
Jeff Randolph:
That is number three on the check mark.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
You had some kind of a small business education as a result of that too, right?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Absolutely. So prior to at Columbia College Chicago, I believe they embedded me into the industry. Living in Chicago and actually being downtown was a blessing in disguise, honestly, because I was able to work for Columbia Records with some of their artists at such a young age. So moving back to Kansas City really set me up for success in the business wise, in reference to spreadsheets, P&Ls business plans, understanding the business side of what being a creative means. Because before, I’m a dancer. I’m a professional dancer. I’m not doing spreadsheets.
Jeff Randolph:
It sounds like you’re more than a professional dancer at this point. You’re running a business, you’re getting accolades, you’re getting trust from people who kind of know what they’re doing. I don’t know that I would be able to say, “That one time that Ginuwine called me.” The regular people, it doesn’t always happen. So there’s an immense amount of talent there and a lot that you’re projecting. So amazing stuff.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Thank you.
Jeff Randolph:
Well, let me ask this kind of question. We went through… Yeah, you were in third grade when your grandmother, Mimi had that three check mark of I want to be a professional dancer. I want to work with Debbie Allen. I want to start my own agency or studio. And Mimi framed that and gave that to you for your graduation. It’s prophetic almost. Now, my question, what’s number four?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh my gosh. So when Mimi and my granddad… He’s passed on. He passed on. When they did that, that was an eye-opening experience as well. Just seeing what you can manifest. So what’s next? I have a book coming out.
Jeff Randolph:
Of course you do, because author is… Hold on, let me change the title on this one.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Add that to the credentials. I have a book coming out, and it’s unlike any book that I’ve particularly read. It’s a guide, it’s an action plan for the creatives. Being a creative on the creative side and then having to flush over for the business side, I was huge with branding. So I’ve put together a creative development, professional development for creators.
Jeff Randolph:
Wow!
Elaina Paige Thomas:
So I’m super excited about that. So that’s one thing that we have next. For the business, we’re going to franchise that baby. We are going to go into a couple of desert areas and we are going to expand. So in reference to… We see we’re going to have some offices in LA. We’re going to have some offices in Miami. We’re going to have some offices in Houston, Texas. And we’re super excited about being able to help other creatives on the avenue of what they’re trying to do as a professional career.
Back in my time period, people did not give you these tools to say, “Hey, this is what you need to be successful in the industry.” So we’re literally handing out resources and tools for people to actually become a success. So I would say number one, I have an awesome book coming out. Number two, we’re going to franchise and we’re going to move to our next location. And number three, I didn’t mention we’re going to go on tour. So again, I’m a branding fanatic and I’ve been very intentional about the different areas that we’re going to park in. So I’m super excited about those three things that Next Paige has going up is taking it to the next level.
Jeff Randolph:
So you use the word desert, you’re going to go into the desert areas. Does that have to do with Kansas City as a talent market versus LA and New York and some of those places?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Exactly. Exactly.
Jeff Randolph:
Say more about that. Say more about the… Because you have youth programming that you offer… And we have in Kansas City, a lot of talent.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Absolutely.
Jeff Randolph:
Not just on your side of the microphone, but Kansas City has talent. So how are we developing? Can we be like LA, Chicago, New York, all of those places?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
I believe we can. I believe we can. I believe we are on the rise. Shout out to Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce doing amazing things here, bringing sound stages, bringing Netflix to be… They just passed an amazing tax incentive for movies to be filmed here in Missouri. So that’s going to be huge. There’s work that is coming, and Kansas City is on the rise. And while it’s on the rise, we have to stay ahead of the game as well. So I mentioned those desert areas, Oklahoma, they have that tax credit, right?
Jeff Randolph:
Mm-hmm.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
I get so many entities that come into Kansas City just to attend some of our program, our classes. I have entity… We have a creative camp going on this July where youth… We’re teaching them at a young age how to be successful in the industry, embedding them into the industry as I was when I was a youngster. So going into these desert areas like Houston, Texas, where people are like, “No, Houston, Texas has resources and opportunities.” No, they don’t. We have to bridge the gap between some of those opportunities and resources so they have access. It’s about the access.
Jeff Randolph:
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I’m going to… You’ve already mentioned some big names. Let me talk about Chief’s great Tamba Hali on the website, you’ve got a testimonial from him saying, “Elaina’s very professional and diligent with all she does. She brings visions to life.” But then you start looking around at the rest of your website and Beyonce, Ginuwine, the Black Eyed Peas, Tech N9ne, selected to dance with Snoop Dogg. Networks like BET… Where by the way, you just got back from the BET Awards in LA, Oprah’s OWN Network, VH1, AMC, Hallmark, Wendy’s. Yeah. Talent helps and can help you get there, but what’s the secret to success? What beyond talent is going to help get us there?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Resilience.
Jeff Randolph:
Resilience.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
I like to think that in my life with working with a lot of those networks, it was rough. It was challenging. I got a lot of nos. But then there were a lot of people that said yes, and it’s not giving up. It’s being mentally strong and resilient to push through, to manifest. To push through for greatness. And I remember being in Miami, Florida actually with Dwayne Bowe and his wife who I’m great friends with… Our foundations even partner together now doing great things for the community and teaching about child abuse and how to overcome that and live throughout your dreams. And it made sense. I remember when we came up with the name, The Next Paige, we tried to play on words. But it’s really about the yes, and focusing in on faith. I’m going to be honest, a lot of times I don’t even realize how much I’ve done. I just do. I’m a doer and I just stay focused in on faith. I don’t focus in on what’s next. I know what’s next.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh, there’s an entrepreneur mindset that just screams at that one. Are you ready for the work of being an entrepreneur is really a good question for people to have. That’s spectacular. Well, you mentioned your foundation. The Next Paige Foundation has a big fundraiser coming up soon.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh, yes.
Jeff Randolph:
You want to talk about that?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yes. I’m so excited. So The Next Paige Foundation, we help empower the challenges within the performing arts. And so we provide scholarships and funding for programming for creatives that don’t have the resources and necessities. Youth, even young adults and adults, we know that it’s expensive to invest in yourself. But you have to make that investment that’s part of that lifestyle, that’s part of that challenge. That’s part of pushing through to the yes. And so with the foundation, we’ve been able to… We’re only one years old, but we’ve been able to fund over 200 creatives right here in Kansas City, Missouri already.
Jeff Randolph:
That’s a strong 1-year-old.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh yeah. By providing access and funding too for them to experience. We just had Tia Rivera here, she’s now on tour with Beyonce. She’s Beyonce’s choreographer for the Renaissance tour. We just had Janet Jackson’s, Denzel Chisholm here. They’ve never been here to Kansas City. And so having them come here, again, that’s providing the access to what people never thought that they would have access to. We signed… She’s about 75 years old. She never thought she would be able to model, and she booked her first gig with Bella Bridesmaid’s wedding gown dress and now she’s a model. There was a young boy who… Red Bull is one of our sponsors. Shout out to them. They’re amazing. And they came right here to Kansas City and did a battle. Well, one of the guys who won the battle, who signed to the agency had never been on a flight before.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh, my.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
We were able to help him get to LA to then battle and compete against the world title through the foundation. It’s amazing things happening.
Jeff Randolph:
I’ve seen a lot of ’80s movies where that’s basically the plot where somebody who doesn’t have those resources then goes and takes on a giant win. That is crazy good. The passion is so evident. All the work is amazing. Elaina Paige Thomas, it is time for the lightning round.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh my gosh.
Jeff Randolph:
Are you ready for the lightning round?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
I don’t know.
Jeff Randolph:
There are no rules in the lightning round. There are rules. It’s short answers, two questions that could be all over the place. You don’t have any access to any of these things ahead of time.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Very time.
Jeff Randolph:
We’re just here to make this happen. What is your guilty pleasure? That belt out loud in the car song that you will not be able to help yourself from singing along with. And it’s that NPR driveway moment where when you turn the car off, if this song is playing, you have to keep singing it where you will just stay in the car and sing it?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Right now? You’re going to laugh, but it’s Ms Rachel that’s on YouTube. (Singing). My toddler loves Ms Rachel, and so she stays on between her and Elmo. I don’t know who’s getting the next record deal out here.
Jeff Randolph:
If Beyonce heard that answer, would she be cool with it? She would respect that?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Probably. I mean, she has some kids at home too.
Jeff Randolph:
Good. As long as she can respect that, then we’re good. What’s the best business advice you’ve ever gotten?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
The best business advice that I’ve gotten is no one caress about your business, but you.
Jeff Randolph:
So if you’re not looking out for it, don’t expect that anyone else is?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Exactly.
Jeff Randolph:
Good business advice. I am looking through your website and I noticed that I can Book A Flash Mob.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh, yeah.
Jeff Randolph:
No. No. I can seriously Book A Flash Mob.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yes.
Jeff Randolph:
Describe this for me. What is [inaudible 00:23:07]? Because-
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh my gosh. Flash mobs are amazing.
Jeff Randolph:
… I don’t know that I could live without a flash mob now that I know it’s an option.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yes, it is totally an option. We have done flash mobs for the NHL and for the NBA for their drafts. We were hoping to get it for the NFL draft, but that was another story. But Lost Wax amazing, next time. But Lost Wax amazing. Shout out to Lost Wax band. They’re amazing. I do choreography for them. So flash mobs… I used to work for a company called Book A Flash Mob.com. They’ve trained myself and my business partner out of New York, Jason Law, shout out to him. And we create experiences for your event, so we bring them to life. There was an entity here, the Marriott, we did a really large one for them here in Kansas City.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh, man.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Flash mobs create an experience.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh, yeah. There’s nothing like it.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
It’s a surprise element. And like you said, there is nothing like it.
Jeff Randolph:
That is crazy.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
If you come to the Gala, hint, hint, on October 21st, you might have an amazing immersive experience of such.
Jeff Randolph:
Oh, this is going to be crazy. Next question, what part of running your business do you wish you knew more about? Because I mean, you were trained as a creative and the business kind of came along a little bit afterward and kind of simultaneously with your education. What do you wish you knew more about?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Honestly, the financial pieces. I learned a lot about investing, hence the fact that that’s where we’re doing with our brick and mortar. With that being said, the numbers game was never a strength for me. And I continue to make sure that the numbers are correct. So I would say know your financials, take heed to what that is, what that looks like every morning, every night, every week, every quarter. Planning ahead and also pivoting, making sure that you always have a good pivot in mind if something doesn’t work out. Back to that resilience.
Jeff Randolph:
Back to resilience, and even back to understanding that you need to be the one in charge of it. This is an area that you’re not comfortable in. And for most entrepreneurs, if that’s an area we’re not comfortable in, we would happily push that off to somebody else. But at the end of the day, you’re trusting somebody else to do it, and you really need to understand it enough to be on top of it.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
You need to know. Exactly. Know every parts of your business. That was something that I learned. Know every parts, every ins and outs. Even if you’re hiring someone to do it, still know how to do it because you just never know. Stuff happens.
Jeff Randolph:
Man, outstanding. Next question. How do you celebrate a big win? There are so many places where you’ve had big wins. How do you celebrate something that you’ve achieved?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
So I love traveling. I would say traveling. And there are things that I look forward to in my life. So rather it’s saving up for that major thing that you want. I am a giver, and so I like giving things to other people, and I rarely look back at what I’ve done to celebrate myself. I’m going to be really honest. So this question is kind of… I know I’m like fumbling everywhere right now, but I just bought myself an awesome purse. That was my guilty pleasure for celebrating the success of being an entrepreneur for an entire year because I’m full on entrepreneur. And that’s not seen a lot, and it takes a lot of Gus to do that. But I treated myself to a beautiful Gucci bag.
Jeff Randolph:
That is a good. That’s a way to treat yourself.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yeah. I like to travel, like I said. And I’ve also learned that you got to turn it off. You have to turn it off. That’s important to turn it off. My family gets at me because everywhere we go, people are like, “Hey, Elaina.” Or I’m always working. And so I’m finally learning how to turn it off. So even when I was in LA for the BET Awards, I’m on. But I went to the beach and I turned it off. I disconnected. Time for yourself. That also sits in with me and is a way to celebrate. Getting a massage, taking care of yourself. Self-care is important.
Jeff Randolph:
Self-care. Yeah.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Self-care is important. So no, I don’t necessarily go out and ooh we’re going to just turn up, but I do things with my family. Me and my husband, we’ll take a night out. But again, for me, I’m always looking forward on the what’s next.
Jeff Randolph:
And it can be difficult to just turn that off and take a minute to center yourself, find yourself and say, Hey, “We’ve done some good stuff.” But then turn it back on when you’re ready so that you can say, “All right, and what’s next?”
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Exactly. “What’s next?”
Jeff Randolph:
All right. Where can people find you? If they’ve heard something here that’s very exciting and they need… let’s just say a flash mob or anything else?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Oh, yeah.
Jeff Randolph:
Where could people find you?
Elaina Paige Thomas:
So all social media @elainapaige @thenextpaigeagency @thenextpaigestudios @thenextpaigefoundation. Our website, www.nextpaigellc.com and www.nextpaigefoundation.org. Our website, social media, make sure you’re following us. I am not the type of person when people DM me, I don’t answer. I answer. I love connecting. And again, no pressure on the what’s next. I just like to continue to focus on faith and everything else will follow. So that’s how you can reach me. I look forward to meeting new people. Email us info@nextpaigellc.com, and I look forward to working with you.
Jeff Randolph:
Perfect. Elaina Paige Thomas, The Next Paige Talent Management Production, thanks for connecting with us today.
Elaina Paige Thomas:
Yes, thank you. It was a pleasure.
Jeff Randolph:
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